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	<title>Comments on: A Brief Primer on the Abortion and Crime Debate</title>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/04/10/a-brief-primer-on-the-abortion-and-crime-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-143971</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
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		<description>Abortion and crime was greatly influenced by a Swedish study. That is precisely our position with respect to the link.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abortion and crime was greatly influenced by a Swedish study. That is precisely our position with respect to the link.<br />
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		<title>By: TRUTH ON THE MARKET &#187; Posner on the Overlapping Generations of Law and Economics</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRUTH ON THE MARKET &#187; Posner on the Overlapping Generations of Law and Economics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Frank Pasquale on Organ Markets, Social Justice, and the Poor: A Reply to Professor Pasquale.Josh Wright on Road Trip With Judge Robert Bork.Kate Litvak on Road Trip With Judge Robert Bork.Daniel H on Exxon&#8217;s CEO didn&#8217;t really get a $398 million retirement package.TRUTH ON THE MARKET &raquo; Bill Henderson Responds: The Empirics of Affirmative Action, Part II on Where do We Stand on The Empirics of Affirmative Action?.Kate Litvak on Single Member Board Committees.Kate Litvak on Single Member Board Committees.Michael Guttentag on Single Member Board Committees.TRUTH ON THE MARKET &raquo; HCA Deal has &#8220;go shop&#8221; provision on &#8220;Go-Shop&#8221; Provisions in Acquisition Agreements.TRUTH ON THE MARKET &raquo; Where do We Stand on The Empirics of Affirmative Action? on A Brief Primer on the Abortion and Crime Debate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TRUTH ON THE MARKET &#187; Where do We Stand on The Empirics of Affirmative Action?</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/04/10/a-brief-primer-on-the-abortion-and-crime-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-10795</link>
		<dc:creator>TRUTH ON THE MARKET &#187; Where do We Stand on The Empirics of Affirmative Action?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m not making any normative statements here. For that matter, I&#8217;m not taking a position on the empirics without doing some more homework. This is, however, one of the most followed empirical debates the legal academy has seen recently (perhaps only second to this) and so I thought it worthwhile to dig a little bit deeper here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m not making any normative statements here. For that matter, I&#8217;m not taking a position on the empirics without doing some more homework. This is, however, one of the most followed empirical debates the legal academy has seen recently (perhaps only second to this) and so I thought it worthwhile to dig a little bit deeper here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TRUTH ON THE MARKET &#187; Lott v. Levitt Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRUTH ON THE MARKET &#187; Lott v. Levitt Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve Sailer</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/04/10/a-brief-primer-on-the-abortion-and-crime-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-1248</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh writes:

&quot;D&amp;L almost have to be right about the plausibility of the theory. I donâ€™t think there is much dispute about the following. The evidence underlying the theory is that poor black men commit a large portion of violent and property crime. Legalized abortion had a substantial effect on black birth patterns: small reduction in rates accompanied by a fairly large delay in the timing of births primary leading to black women having kids later in life).&quot;

But, do we know for sure that legalized abortion had a major impact on the number of &quot;poor black men&quot; or do we just know that it drove down the number of &quot;black men&quot;? 

You&#039;ll note that Donohue and Levitt only cite European studies on who has abortions, because American studies show that, all else being equal, abortion was chosen by better organized, more future-oriented women, while the women who would be lousier mothers tended to go ahead and have their babies.

My impression is that legal abortion had a much bigger impact on the fertility of the black middle and working classes, while have little effect on the black underclass. This could have contributed to underclass values becoming more culturally dominant among blacks during the crack-gangsta rap era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;D&amp;L almost have to be right about the plausibility of the theory. I donâ€™t think there is much dispute about the following. The evidence underlying the theory is that poor black men commit a large portion of violent and property crime. Legalized abortion had a substantial effect on black birth patterns: small reduction in rates accompanied by a fairly large delay in the timing of births primary leading to black women having kids later in life).&#8221;</p>
<p>But, do we know for sure that legalized abortion had a major impact on the number of &#8220;poor black men&#8221; or do we just know that it drove down the number of &#8220;black men&#8221;? </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll note that Donohue and Levitt only cite European studies on who has abortions, because American studies show that, all else being equal, abortion was chosen by better organized, more future-oriented women, while the women who would be lousier mothers tended to go ahead and have their babies.</p>
<p>My impression is that legal abortion had a much bigger impact on the fertility of the black middle and working classes, while have little effect on the black underclass. This could have contributed to underclass values becoming more culturally dominant among blacks during the crack-gangsta rap era.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sailer</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/04/10/a-brief-primer-on-the-abortion-and-crime-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-1247</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s striking is how the abortion-cut-crime theory has become conventional wisdom in the mainstream media without ever convincing the small number of individuals who have made the effort to think hard about it that it has come close to meeting the burden of proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s striking is how the abortion-cut-crime theory has become conventional wisdom in the mainstream media without ever convincing the small number of individuals who have made the effort to think hard about it that it has come close to meeting the burden of proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Barth</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/04/10/a-brief-primer-on-the-abortion-and-crime-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-1240</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Barth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NP, I should say that I saw it originally on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.overlawyered.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Overlawyered&lt;/a&gt;, but they had a registration-only link to the Chicago-Tribune. So I had to Google around a bit to find a better link that was free to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NP, I should say that I saw it originally on <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/" rel="nofollow">Overlawyered</a>, but they had a registration-only link to the Chicago-Tribune. So I had to Google around a bit to find a better link that was free to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/04/10/a-brief-primer-on-the-abortion-and-crime-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-1239</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, thanks for the link to article over the lawsuit.  I did not know that.  Very interesting.

Greg, I recommend reading the Donohue &amp; Levitt paper linked above (as well as the other papers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, thanks for the link to article over the lawsuit.  I did not know that.  Very interesting.</p>
<p>Greg, I recommend reading the Donohue &amp; Levitt paper linked above (as well as the other papers).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Barth</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/04/10/a-brief-primer-on-the-abortion-and-crime-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-1238</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Barth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000088&amp;sid=a1ELJy6bUuTk&amp;refer=culture&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lott is suing Levitt&lt;/a&gt; now (not over this, but over the portrayal of Lott&#039;s work in &lt;i&gt;Freakonomics&lt;/i&gt;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000088&amp;sid=a1ELJy6bUuTk&amp;refer=culture" rel="nofollow">Lott is suing Levitt</a> now (not over this, but over the portrayal of Lott&#8217;s work in <i>Freakonomics</i>).</p>
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		<title>By: Greg D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They further hypothesize that since the reduction in children will come disproportionately from women the least willing and able to care for their children&lt;/i&gt;

Do they offer justification for this hypothesis?  What is the abortion v live birth rate for inner city black girls?  What is it for female college students, and high socieo-economic status high school females?  While the later two groups may not be &quot;willing&quot; to care for their children, they&#039;re far more &quot;able&quot; than the first group.

Is there any real evidence of more abortions being in the first group, than in the other two?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They further hypothesize that since the reduction in children will come disproportionately from women the least willing and able to care for their children</i></p>
<p>Do they offer justification for this hypothesis?  What is the abortion v live birth rate for inner city black girls?  What is it for female college students, and high socieo-economic status high school females?  While the later two groups may not be &#8220;willing&#8221; to care for their children, they&#8217;re far more &#8220;able&#8221; than the first group.</p>
<p>Is there any real evidence of more abortions being in the first group, than in the other two?</p>
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		<title>By: The Volokh Conspiracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Volokh Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Abortion and Crime:...&lt;/strong&gt;

On Truth on the Market, Josh Wright has an extensive and even-handed discussion of the theoretical and empirical questions ......</description>
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<p>On Truth on the Market, Josh Wright has an extensive and even-handed discussion of the theoretical and empirical questions &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thom Lambert</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/04/10/a-brief-primer-on-the-abortion-and-crime-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post, Josh.  This is quite helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post, Josh.  This is quite helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/04/10/a-brief-primer-on-the-abortion-and-crime-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Josh. That was excellent. As I mentioned in our email exchange, I am familiar with this debate mainly from Freakonomics. Obviously, there is a lot more to say on the topic. Thanks for the guided tour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Josh. That was excellent. As I mentioned in our email exchange, I am familiar with this debate mainly from Freakonomics. Obviously, there is a lot more to say on the topic. Thanks for the guided tour.</p>
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