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		<title>By: TRUTH ON THE MARKET &#187; Section 2 Symposium: Thom Lambert on The DOJ-FTC Divide on Bundled Discounts</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/09/06/jjs-bundled-discounts-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-144862</link>
		<dc:creator>TRUTH ON THE MARKET &#187; Section 2 Symposium: Thom Lambert on The DOJ-FTC Divide on Bundled Discounts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discounts pose different competitive risks than single-product discounts because, as I explained in this post, they may have an exclusionary effect even if they result in a price that exceeds the cost of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thom Lambert</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/09/06/jjs-bundled-discounts-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-15878</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for raising the tying point, Keith.  I would echo Josh&#039;s points and note an additional hurdle a tying plaintiff would have to establish -- that there was, in fact, a de facto tie-in.

Whereas tying involves a refusal to sell one product (the tying product &quot;A&quot;) without another (the tied product &quot;B&quot;), bundled discounts merely &quot;encourage&quot; -- not require -- purchases of both products.  Now, the degree of &quot;encouragement&quot; could be so great as to constitute a de facto tie.  For example, if a lamp monopolist charges $100 for a lamp but will sell a lamp/lampshade combo for $5, he has effectively tied the two products, even though the lamp is technically available separately.  It thus makes sense to conclude that bundled discounts may, in certain circumstances, amount to de facto tie-ins.

But in what circumstances?  Presumably, the plaintiff would have to show that the bundled discount is so &quot;effective&quot; that it has an effect similar to an outright refusal to sell the packaged products separately.   The Areeda-Hovenkamp treatise suggests that courts should focus on the â€œproportion of separate purchasesâ€? --i.e., the percentage of purchases of â€œtiedâ€? product B, by purchasers who buy both the defendantâ€™s â€œtyingâ€? product A and any sellerâ€™s product B, that are outside the defendantâ€™s package.  The treatise suggests that if separate purchases exceed 10 percent, there should be no illegal tie.   

{In addition, the treatise posits three â€œsafe harborsâ€? where a tie should not be found even if separate purchases are less than 10 percent.  The three safe harbors are where: (1) the separate price of tying product A is less than or equal to the market price of A; (2) the &quot;package price&quot; of tied product B (i.e., the price of the package less the separate price of tying product A) exceeds or equals the market price of B; or (3) the package price of B exceeds or equals the marginal cost of rivalsâ€™ B.  In the first two situations, there can be no legitimate concern that the defendant has jacked up the separate price of tying product A in order to induce buyers to purchase the package.  In the third, there is no injury to competition because the defendantsâ€™ rivals could compete by reducing their prices to competitive levels.}  

Of course, the Areeda-Hovenkamp proposal is not the law; it&#039;s just a suggestion for courts.  But courts analyzing bundled discounts as tie-ins are going to have to analyze whether a de facto tie-in has occurred, and they&#039;re likely to follow some test similar to the Areeda-Hovenkamp suggestion.  My guess it that most bundled discounts plaintiffs could not make the showing necessary to establish a de facto tie-in. 

As Josh observes, cases like LePage&#039;s give them an easier option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for raising the tying point, Keith.  I would echo Josh&#8217;s points and note an additional hurdle a tying plaintiff would have to establish &#8212; that there was, in fact, a de facto tie-in.</p>
<p>Whereas tying involves a refusal to sell one product (the tying product &#8220;A&#8221;) without another (the tied product &#8220;B&#8221;), bundled discounts merely &#8220;encourage&#8221; &#8212; not require &#8212; purchases of both products.  Now, the degree of &#8220;encouragement&#8221; could be so great as to constitute a de facto tie.  For example, if a lamp monopolist charges $100 for a lamp but will sell a lamp/lampshade combo for $5, he has effectively tied the two products, even though the lamp is technically available separately.  It thus makes sense to conclude that bundled discounts may, in certain circumstances, amount to de facto tie-ins.</p>
<p>But in what circumstances?  Presumably, the plaintiff would have to show that the bundled discount is so &#8220;effective&#8221; that it has an effect similar to an outright refusal to sell the packaged products separately.   The Areeda-Hovenkamp treatise suggests that courts should focus on the â€œproportion of separate purchasesâ€? &#8211;i.e., the percentage of purchases of â€œtiedâ€? product B, by purchasers who buy both the defendantâ€™s â€œtyingâ€? product A and any sellerâ€™s product B, that are outside the defendantâ€™s package.  The treatise suggests that if separate purchases exceed 10 percent, there should be no illegal tie.   </p>
<p>{In addition, the treatise posits three â€œsafe harborsâ€? where a tie should not be found even if separate purchases are less than 10 percent.  The three safe harbors are where: (1) the separate price of tying product A is less than or equal to the market price of A; (2) the &#8220;package price&#8221; of tied product B (i.e., the price of the package less the separate price of tying product A) exceeds or equals the market price of B; or (3) the package price of B exceeds or equals the marginal cost of rivalsâ€™ B.  In the first two situations, there can be no legitimate concern that the defendant has jacked up the separate price of tying product A in order to induce buyers to purchase the package.  In the third, there is no injury to competition because the defendantsâ€™ rivals could compete by reducing their prices to competitive levels.}  </p>
<p>Of course, the Areeda-Hovenkamp proposal is not the law; it&#8217;s just a suggestion for courts.  But courts analyzing bundled discounts as tie-ins are going to have to analyze whether a de facto tie-in has occurred, and they&#8217;re likely to follow some test similar to the Areeda-Hovenkamp suggestion.  My guess it that most bundled discounts plaintiffs could not make the showing necessary to establish a de facto tie-in. </p>
<p>As Josh observes, cases like LePage&#8217;s give them an easier option.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/09/06/jjs-bundled-discounts-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-15311</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith hints at what I believe to be one of the most problematic aspects of cases like LePage&#039;s.  The alternative tying and exclusionary theories of this type of bundling or other vertical contracts (like slotting!) require substantial foreclosure and proof of anticompetitive effect.  These are though hurdles to overcome, and should be, such that we do not chill pro-competitive competition for distribution.  

But hey!  Why not just re-tool the complaint as a bundled discounts/LePage&#039;s style case and get past summary judgment without evidence of either?  I won&#039;t comment on the JJ case specifically, but it does make sense to bring a case on a bundled discount theory if you cannot show the requisite foreclosure or competitive effects.  In the case of bundle on bundle competition, these requirements are not likely to be met.

As Keith points out, the exclusionary theories do not require proof of below cost pricing.  But this is precisely why it is so essential to sensible antitrust policy that plaintiff&#039;s demonstrate substantial foreclosure when alleging exclusionary distribution contracts facilitate monopolization.  My post, which Thom kindly links to above, reviewing Hovenkamp&#039;s treatment of this issue touches on this issue in a bit more detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith hints at what I believe to be one of the most problematic aspects of cases like LePage&#8217;s.  The alternative tying and exclusionary theories of this type of bundling or other vertical contracts (like slotting!) require substantial foreclosure and proof of anticompetitive effect.  These are though hurdles to overcome, and should be, such that we do not chill pro-competitive competition for distribution.  </p>
<p>But hey!  Why not just re-tool the complaint as a bundled discounts/LePage&#8217;s style case and get past summary judgment without evidence of either?  I won&#8217;t comment on the JJ case specifically, but it does make sense to bring a case on a bundled discount theory if you cannot show the requisite foreclosure or competitive effects.  In the case of bundle on bundle competition, these requirements are not likely to be met.</p>
<p>As Keith points out, the exclusionary theories do not require proof of below cost pricing.  But this is precisely why it is so essential to sensible antitrust policy that plaintiff&#8217;s demonstrate substantial foreclosure when alleging exclusionary distribution contracts facilitate monopolization.  My post, which Thom kindly links to above, reviewing Hovenkamp&#8217;s treatment of this issue touches on this issue in a bit more detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.truthonthemarket.com/2006/09/06/jjs-bundled-discounts-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-15295</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, Thom. You address the predation arguments against bundled discounts. What about the theory that sometimes (perhaps not here) they are a de facto tie (a theory of liability that doesn&#039;t depend on below cost pricing)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Thom. You address the predation arguments against bundled discounts. What about the theory that sometimes (perhaps not here) they are a de facto tie (a theory of liability that doesn&#8217;t depend on below cost pricing)?</p>
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